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Is there such a thing as multi-use trails?

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10:28 am
April 3, 2011


Gillean Daffern

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Is there such a thing as multi-use trails?” Sounds good on paper, but do they actually work in practice? I have my own view on this. I want to hear from everyone before the next go-around on May 5


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2:02 pm
April 3, 2011


rachelo

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Post edited 2:07 pm – April 3, 2011 by rachelo


I believe that there is such a thing, but I don't believe that they are something to aspire to. I see them more as a last resort. For one, multi-use can only include non-motorized travel. I've heard of some places where they create a 'multi-use' trail that allows ATVs, and as far as I'm concerned any trail that allows motorized vehicles becomes an ATV trail alone, as who would ever want to walk it or feel safe doing so? An ATV trail that permits hikers is just a convenient way for the overseers to say "Look, we have x kilometres of hiking trails!" without having to put in anything that people might actually walk. A lot like those obnoxious newly-marked 'bike lanes' in Calgary, where they've drawn a bike along the side of the road where you normally bike anyways, and then get to announce a 'designated bike lane' without actually doing anything about the fact that it's still where cars park and drive.

But considering multi-use as feet, bikes, and horses, it's possible, but not preferable. I think multi-use trails make sense in some places where it is difficult to put a trail in for a distance, or as the access to a broader trail section. When it's not reasonable to make separate trails, we can handle sharing.

But given a choice, I'd always rather have a designated trail. It's nice to not worry about bikes zinging by (which, to be fair, is much less of a problem with bikers that are also willing to share), and I hate having to walk on a trail that's been chewed to a pulp by horses. On a bike, it would be nice to not have to dodge hikers. I love anywhere they've actually taken the hiking trail and the horse trail, and made them separate but parallel – much happier that trudging through poop-filled mud.

Interestingly, multi-use really seems to be a matter of whether something other than feet get to use it, as hikers are pretty much assumed to be permitted anywhere. When a trail does split into hikers and horses, it'd be a rare hiker with any motivation to take the horse trail, but I don't think it's prohibited, and I don't think riders can assume they'll only come across other riders. Similarly, while some trails are definitely bike-dominant, hikers can also use them, and even dedicated one-way downhilling trails seem to have some strange appeal to the odd hiker. So it's not like a mountain biker can every really get his own trail either. 

As a person who does multiple sports, I prefer to do them on separate trails where possible. I'm very capable of sharing, but I see a multi-use trail as something to do when it's not possible to give the horses or bikers their own space – not something I'd aspire to if building a trail.

6:42 pm
April 3, 2011


bikepirate

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I think in theory a multi-use trail sounds like a great idea. However, I don't believe it works very well on heavy use trails – something Rachelo also eludes to. In my opinion the best plan is to sperate hiking trails from mountain bike trails, which in the end is beneficial to all. Obviously this does not work for every trail or area, but I believe that where possible the trails should be kept separate. It's hard to get in a good ride when you're constantly looking out for hikers ahead and it's not much fun for hikers to be on the lookout for bikers barreling down the trail when their out for a leisurely walk.

Different users also have different needs and wants for the trails they use. It's much easier to manage the needs of one group and build a trail accordingly, as opposed to building a trail to meet all levels of users. That's my two cents.

Happy Trails!

bikepirate

3:12 pm
April 4, 2011


Bob Stebbins

Calgary

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Post edited 3:13 pm – April 4, 2011 by Bob Stebbins


Gillean Daffern said:

Is there such a thing as multi-use trails?” Sounds good on paper, but do they actually work in practice? I have my own view on this. I want to hear from everyone before the next go-around on May 5


 

We already have many multi-use trails in K-country serving combinations of hikers, equestrians, and cyclists. Though not ideal for all users the three categories seem to tolerate each other such that each generally enjoys their outings. But, as near as I can tell, this tolerance does not extend to ATV use. True some people hike trails in the Waiparous, where ATV use often dominates. But they appear to amount to a very small proportion of all hikers, equestrians, and cyclists using this area and K-Country. ATV use is incompatible with the activities of these three: it is noisy, it destroys trails, and some of its enthusiasts also damage the nearby off-trail environment (e.g., by littering, riding off-trail). The three categories want the nature they encounter to remain as it is, while the ATV users want to change it to serve their own special interests. Evidence for this difference in goals and attitude in a range of outdoor activities is available in a new book I have written with Lee Davidson entitled Serious Leisure in Nature: Sustainable Consumption in the Outdoors (Palgrave

macmillan, 2011).

Bob Stebbins

8:07 am
April 5, 2011


rachelo

Calgary

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Post edited 9:48 am – April 5, 2011 by rachelo


Bob Stebbins said:

ATV use is incompatible with the activities of these three: it is noisy, it destroys trails, and some of its enthusiasts also damage the nearby off-trail environment (e.g., by littering, riding off-trail). 


While I too made the point that ATV use is incompatible with any non-motorized use, I would not include the actions of some of its enthusiasts as part of the issue. Yes, it does destroy trails, but if a trail is put in for ATV use, it doesn't really do anything except dig down the trail – something that all other users do to their trails as well. And horses chew up their trails often worse than ATVs because it's a mass of small holes rather than just tread. Perhaps it doesn't sink as quickly, but it's equally unpleasant to walk when at all damp. And while I hardly want to have the noise and smell of a motorized vehicle go by me on a trail, at least when the ATV is gone, so is the noise and smell – unlike horse trails which reek constantly. I don't understand why it is any more acceptable to leave horse feces all over a multi-use trail than it is to leave dog or human. 

Off-trail is a question. While ATVs do turn off-trail into 'trail' or mudholes pretty quickly, any open environment that gets foot travel will also develop a trail pretty quickly. Spreading out only works in a rarely used area. And unfortunately, there are inconsiderate people of all user groups. Littering isn't an intrinsic part of ATVing, so I wouldn't judge the group by the practices of its worst (though I would love to see more enforcement against that sector). A popular hiking-only trail collects enough of its own litter from a portion of the hiking population.

11:06 pm
April 7, 2011


Clayton Ditzler

High River, AB

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I'd like a better definition of multi-use.  If it is for non-motorized (hike/horse/bike/ski etc) then I'm all for them.  The cost of construction dictates getting maximum use and properly built and maintained the issues of horse mire & bike ruts can be mitigated. 

There seems to be such a small amount of funding for such projects and so many places where one can "just" hike, I support them.

12:51 pm
April 13, 2011


Gillean Daffern

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Post edited 3:51 pm – April 13, 2011 by Gillean Daffern


I think it’s a given that motorized users will have separate trails to non-motorized users.  But even here, the ATV crowd will not agree that one trail fits all. Just ask the motorcyclists!

We can also forget about winter use. So just think about one trail for hikers, equestrians and the new kid on the block , the X-C mountain bikers.

Just heard the deadline is now April 21 

12:59 pm
April 15, 2011


Gillean Daffern

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Nearly all the trails east of Hwy. 40 were intended for both hikers and equestrians, with emphasis on the latter as loops were long and there were no bridges across creeks.  Only a handful of hiker-only trails, such as Fullerton Loop and Jumpingpound Summit trail, were built. So we’ve been sharing the trails for nearly 30 years and been complaining of the mud churned up by horses (AND cattle) in areas where the ground is soft. Most dreaded is the ever-widening mud baths. Equestrians hate such places more than we do, because if a horse slips and falls, it can be really difficult to get it back on its feet again. During the last few years K Country have been trying to address this problem by relocating sections of trail or by hardening the trail. Still lots to do. I think Death Valley trail is being tackled next summer. 

Anyway, when X-C mountain biking took off, we had not two but three different user groups using the same trails.  The passage of bikers on shaley downhills  is becoming evident by the grooves made by the wheels. Not as deep as the one made by dirt bikes, but still noticable. On one such hill, I noticed the equestrians had got off the trail and were traversing a steep grass slope above a canyon. And the hikers are following suit.

Because of the soft ground situation,  bikers are building their own trails on hard ground. Only they have to share them with hikers.  I thoroughly understand the point of view of bikepirate. It’s a worry knowing you might run into a group of hikers around the next downhill bend. Equestrians are also building their own trails because, ironically, they find the original horse trails too long and want smaller loops. They, too, must share with other users.

Going against the grain, I have been pressing for years for a hiker only connector from Bluerock Campground to Bluerock Creek trail along the dry northeast bank, so as to miss out the muddy horse trail and the creek crossing. Also, campers would not have to drive to Junction day-use area. And it would be shorter: Hikers might stand a chance of reaching the meadows before turning for home. Apart from getting it on the management plan,  the connector is running into opposition because it  cannot be a multi-use trail.  Bikers could not use it because it leaves from the hiker only interpretive trail.( Equestrians, of course, use the old trail that leaves from the equestrian campground.)

When it comes to building new trails for hikers, there appears to be a preconceived notion that hikers can hike on any type of trail, be it equestrian, biking, logging road, cutline, whatever. ( I must admit we hike the motorbike trails in the Spring just to get fit!) But, seriously, hiking a trail should  be a joy, not a chore. What I see happening is that the art of designing and building hiking trails — and it DEFINITELY IS an art— is being lost. 

To sum up, I think we need a mix of both multi-use and user specific trails.     

 

 

9:01 am
April 24, 2011


rachelo

Calgary

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While it certainly is *possible* to hike on any type of trail, that doesn't mean it's the ideal, and that we want to do it.

Often, the ideal route for a hiker, a biker, and a rider are not the same thing. If we limit development to multi-use, we're going to get a lot of passable, sterile trails, and little that really does what any user wants.

 

I don't think I've ever hiked a horse trail that wasn't a mess. In the dry season, it might be hard, but it's just dried in mudhole sinks and bumps, and still an uneven mess. What is it that can be done to keep a horse trail hard and in good condition? And where can I see an example of this? Admittedly, I avoid horse trails if possible, so I haven't hiked a huge variety of them.

The other problem with sharing trails with horses is the fæces. If I need to go along the trail, I'm expected to go bury it. If I bring a dog, and he needs to go, I am expected to go bury it. Why is it acceptable for horses to dump all over the trail? It's horribly unpleasant hiking the fæces-coated trail into Skoki, and the bugs attracted by it all make the hiking extra unpleasant, even if it's old enough to not smell so bad anymore.

I suppose when you're up on a horse, well above the trail, it doesn't matter much what your horse walks through, but on foot it's disgusting, and on a bike, rather terrifying.

 

I think the desire for shorter horse trails might be indicative of a general move to shorter trips. Because there are a lot more inexperienced people looking to get out for an afternoon (by whatever method), there is a lot more interest in and travel on half-day loops and short dayhikes and trail rides, without a huge increase in the number of people going two days in and beyond.

 

I wouldn't mind at all seeing some bike trails designated as *just* for bikes. After all, there are enough foot-trails they can't use. I definitely see multi-use trails as inferior, and while they are practical for some tight areas, or for saving money in some places, I think we should try to put in separate trails where possible.

I think the hyper-glorification of 'sharing the trails' and the excitement for multi-use is evidence that the people making such recommendations do not actually use the trails for anything beyond the odd picnic. They just want to be able to pat themselves on the back for having __kms of trail, and if they make it multi-use, they can count it three times.

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